QUOTE (Littleman1 @ Jan 26 2008, 09:14 AM)
I didn't say that. I see only his public persona, as do you. If you think you know GWB you are deluding yourself. The fact is we are there and we have to support our troops until we can get them out, LBJ publicly praised the effort and results in Vietnam as he announced the inflated body counts. In private, we now know, he agonized over each US death and dearly wanted out. As a matter of fact he did not seek reelection because of it.
But you're the one assuming you "know" him. All we can go by is what he throws in our face publicly every day. Don't give me that stale, "support the troops," crap- criticizing the president has nothing to do with supporting the troops. That's like saying unless you agree with every law, you don't support police. If you really want to support the troops, how about not keeping them in a situation where they're going to get killed needlessly?
Ya know. Every friend of mine who has been in Iraq, and were there for the initial invasion has told me, "Yes we didnt find WMDs, but some of the buildings we went in, were so off the chart with radiation and things, there is no doubt he had them"
Frankly, I still DO NOT believe the media and all the negative coverage by the nay sayers that the WMDs WERE not there.
Ah, because you know a guy who had a radiation meter, that proves everything! First of all, anything that had radioactive material in it before 1991 would still read "off the chart" in 2003, even if they'd been gone for years. It would probably be impossible NOT to find remnants of what he had before the gulf war, but we didn't go in for pre-1991 shit, and now people are just making excuses.
Second, the administration has admitted that there was no WMD- maybe they were bamboozled by this media conspiracy too??
Everyone still assumes that saddam was stupid. If he has WMD what was the fucking point of leaving them there for the US forces to find. By getting rid of them he makes the US look bad.
You're really reaching here, huh? You think he would give up power, his freedom, and his life just to make the US look bad? That makes zero sense.
Lastly, IF Saddam was able to get rid of his WMDs and filter them off to other countries and terrorists groups, what the fuck are you so niave for, as to believe they are going to release a report saying "We found records where saddam may have given X,Y,and Z to A, B, and C"
Again- where is this coming from? Show me some credible evidence that this happened. Are you seriously arguing what they "might have" done, and calling me stupid?
At the end of the day this is the government we are talking about, as much as every american wants to play armchair quarterback for the superbowl, do you really think the government is fucking stupid enough to release ALL the information they have about the war?
Of course not- but they released plenty of information already. I certainly think that if there was a SHRED of evidence that Iraq really had anything, that would have come out prior to the entire Republican party getting their asses handed to them in the last elections. What possible negative could come from they telling us where they really found the giant stockpiles of WMD, considering that it would justify the war? I can't believe there are actually people still arguing that Iraq had WMD, dispite the complete lack of any evidence of that.
Seriously, Jake, and you others who take every fucking thing you read online, in the news etc, as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing more or less, are fucking stupid. Get off your ass and talk with some of the soldiers who were actually among the first troops on the ground in Iraq.
Ok, so let me get this straight. We should ignore every available piece of information until we talk to someone who happens to support your point of view? Did this person you spoke with happen to take some snapshots of these piles of WMD? Sounds like a really intelligent, objective way to make a decision.
By the way, all these news organizations you seem to hate- what exactly have that said that was so negative. They report what info is given to them. Are you seriously stupid enough to believe that they're filtering out all of the huge successes we're having over there? Is this the same media who never even asks George Bush a tough question? Is it the same one who published everything the administration gave us about Iraq leading up to the war? Just because the news isn't going your way doesn't mean its wrong. By the way, I've talked to PLENTY of people who've come home from Iraq- in 1991, from the 2003 invasion, and those coming home now. What's your point?
I am sorry But I will believe them any day over CNN, fox, and the other trash media in this country.
Yes, because the experience of an individual is always a great representation of the reality of something the size of a war and world politics. My grandpa didn't trust the "Japs" until the day he died. Good thing I don't base my world view solely on that.
But thats ok keep bashing the country, and the work or troops are doing. Cause some how telling the soldiers that what they wanna do is wrong, and they should be wanting to do something else is somehow being patriotic. Again I challenge you to go talk to people who have been there. The majority of them are proud to be there and want to finish the job. The problem is you anti war pussy liberals bitch and moan so much about every little thing, that you just make there job harder and harder. Every soldier in Iraq is in fear of being branded a baby killer, or war criminal, and because of pussies like yall, that think peace at any price is better then one life, our soldiers are going into a war they cant win, because i hate to tell you, but the insurgents are fighting to win. We are fighting until the political atmosphere changes where its not "cool" to fight anymore.
You are just a stupid pussy. You have absolutely no arguement other than what "might" be- no facts, nothing. This is the classic go-to move from someone who has nothing to say, and knows it. "You don't agree with me, so you hate the country." Give me a break. Please show me a single time where I said anything bad about the country or the troops. You're the one who wants them to stay and die so bad- kinda seems like YOU don't really support them. If not, and if I'm such a pussy, why don't you put your money where your mouth is- sign up. http://www.goarmy.com/flindex.jsp?#?channel=&video=
Unfortunately, pussies like you prefer to let their buddies do the fighting. You'd rather just talk shit- poorly, I might say. You don't even understand how the military works, apparently. Last time I knew, what the soldiers "wanna do" isn't really relevant. I was under the impression that they are ordered to do what guys in Washington, (most of whom have never even held a gun,) "wanna do." Of course they're proud to be there doing the job- they should be. They are serving with honor for people who've put them in a shitty situation, from which there's no good ending. I'm also far from anti-war. Find where I said anything about peace at any price. I'll stick to the wars that make sense, however. Afghanistan made sense. So did a half dozen other places before Iraq. Unfortunately, now that we're tied up in Iraq, we don't have the resources to take on fights in other places.
Damn, you are an idiot- "fighting to win," what does that even mean? I see you have been watching the news, since you seem to be up on the main talking points. What is "winning" in Iraq? What is an "insurgent?" Does it mean all the people who don't want us in their neighborhoods so they're taking pot shots at the troops? There are up to a dozen different groups that make up the "insurgency." I'd love to hear from you, General Patton, how we're going to defeat a dozen groups, fighting independantly, on their own ground, for their own causes.
What retards like you fail to grasp is that most of the people who are against this war have nothing to do with the people who were against Vietnam- most are against this war BECAUSE we support the troops, and really don't see the possibility of making shithole like Iraq slightly better as a good enough reason for our soldiers to die, especially when we now know that the reason we even went there was total bullshit.
This post has been edited by jake on Jan 27 2008, 01:05 AM