Illegal Immigration

Being debated in the Senate

Posted: Mar 27 2006, 12:16 PM
This whole thing, in my opinion, is fucking stupid. You can't outsource manual labor, unless you want to ship your dishes to Mexico at closing time at your restaurant. Mexicans aren't the only immigrants to come to the U.S. that don't speak English. Most mexicans actually have a small understanding of the english language, whereas immigrants from other countries (not bordering the US) have no concept of English at all.

If you don't like these families in your neighborhoods, get up off your ass and make a pass at a better career, so you don't have to live in a migrant area. It's much easier for you, as an american citizen, to make a higher wage, to have a better paying job. As for those of you who swear that it's easier for an illegal immigrant to live, give me a fucking break.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 12:30 PM
im not sure how you can call this fucking stupid.
its making something that is already happening, legal.
having said that, these people that are working illegitimately, will have a chance to further their careers, if what they are doing is recognized as being governmentally and socially accepted.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 12:58 PM
QUOTE (2WarVet @ Mar 27 2006, 10:16 AM)
The problem with illegal immigrants is they are ILLEGAL. And those laws are there for a pretty good reason. There are plenty of legal ways to get into this country and it's not that difficult to use one of those methods. Not to mention that if they came in legally, they would be making more money. Home loans for illegal immigrants? Sheesh.........That's pretty fucked when you consider how difficult it can be for some American citizens to obtain a home loan. Instead of helping them when they get here, they should be either jailed, then deported or just immediately deported.

it's only difficult for american citizens to get a loan if they THEMSELVES have fucked up their credit. Its on them if they can't qualify for a loan. Its not like affirmative action where you have to give a certain number of loans to minorities, which would screw the white man. That is not how it works.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 02:27 PM
All of them need to get kicked the fuck out. Build the Great wall of America. Or give poor bored Rednecks jobs as border patrol. Either way problem solved.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 02:33 PM
QUOTE (rasec008 @ Mar 27 2006, 12:58 PM)
it's only difficult for american citizens to get a loan if they THEMSELVES have fucked up their credit. Its on them if they can't qualify for a loan. Its not like affirmative action where you have to give a certain number of loans to minorities, which would screw the white man. That is not how it works.

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If you don't like these families in your neighborhoods, get up off your ass and make a pass at a better career, so you don't have to live in a migrant area. It's much easier for you, as an american citizen, to make a higher wage, to have a better paying job. As for those of you who swear that it's easier for an illegal immigrant to live, give me a fucking break.


wait, you're advocating personal responsibility! we can't have any of that nonsense here.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 03:24 PM
QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 27 2006, 08:19 AM)
ibsaying, wether or not we are in a classroom, or work, you really show your lack of intelligence by not using punctuation and with your poor grammar.
umm. is right, we don't know what the fuck your trying to say...

thank you.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 04:02 PM
its whether
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (doomcrewsdmf @ Mar 27 2006, 01:16 PM)
Mexicans aren't the only immigrants to come to the U.S. that don't speak English. Most mexicans actually have a small understanding of the english language, whereas immigrants from other countries (not bordering the US) have no concept of English at all.


yes. but why is everything in stores and whatnot in Spanish and not any European languages? I dont see any stores advertising they speak french, german, serbian or whatever other language. All I have seen here is "se habla espanol."

Seriously is it just laziness or pure stupidity that they don't learn english?

And no I am not racist or anything like that.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (rasec008 @ Mar 27 2006, 12:58 PM)
it's only difficult for american citizens to get a loan if they THEMSELVES have fucked up their credit. Its on them if they can't qualify for a loan. Its not like affirmative action where you have to give a certain number of loans to minorities, which would screw the white man. That is not how it works.

Very good point........i was just ranting lol.......but do you agree with illegal immigrants being granted mortgage loans?
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:01 PM
I was under the impression that immigration laws in the US are similar to those in Canada. Our laws are fairly strict, compared to other places. No?


Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (2WarVet @ Mar 27 2006, 04:00 PM)
Very good point........i was just ranting lol.......but do you agree with illegal immigrants being granted mortgage loans?

NO!

You'd ask them to declare what their income is & for a SSN and they'd be out the door! Show me where illegal immigrants qualify for and get mortgage loans.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:10 PM
QUOTE (tomorrowlightxx @ Mar 27 2006, 04:55 PM)
yes. but why is everything in stores and whatnot in Spanish and not any European languages? I dont see any stores advertising they speak french, german, serbian or whatever other language. All I have seen here is "se habla espanol."

Seriously is it just laziness or pure stupidity that they don't learn english?

And no I am not racist or anything like that.

Because there are more immigrants coming from Spanish speaking countries than the European, Asian or African countries. But I agree, if you plan on living here, you should make some attempt at learning the language. That's why a lot of European countries think Americans are pigs......we'll go to France and get mad at them for not being able to speak English......how arrogant is that? lol
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (empresss @ Mar 27 2006, 06:03 PM)
NO!

You'd ask them to declare what their income is & for a SSN and they'd be out the door! Show me where illegal immigrants qualify for and get mortgage loans.


this is the newspaper I get at home. I used to have an account with this bank.
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...0600009cb57.txt

This post has been edited by tomorrowlightxx on Mar 27 2006, 05:38 PM

Posted: Mar 27 2006, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (empresss @ Mar 27 2006, 06:01 PM)
I was under the impression that immigration laws in the US are similar to those in Canada. Our laws are fairly strict, compared to other places. No?

Our laws are tough, the problem is they are not enforced. A possible new law that punishes illegals, and the people they hire is a great idea.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 07:34 PM
The serious problem is that you can't do anything with them. If you send them to jail your just overcrowding the jails, and if you send them back they'll just do it again. I mean you can't kill someone for jumping a border, although in a numbers sense that would stop illegals in a hurry. And if you fine then do you really expect to ever see that money? I mean there has to be a better solution to all this.
Posted: Mar 27 2006, 10:17 PM
All that fruit ain't gonna pick itself.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 06:51 AM
QUOTE (usfhett99 @ Mar 27 2006, 07:38 PM)
Our laws are tough, the problem is they are not enforced.  A possible new law that punishes illegals, and the people they hire is a great idea.

I agree 100%. But the corporations run America basically, so I really doubt that any law will go into effect that will burden big business.

This post has been edited by tomorrowlightxx on Mar 28 2006, 06:51 AM

Posted: Mar 28 2006, 07:11 AM
QUOTE (usfhett99 @ Mar 27 2006, 06:38 PM)
Our laws are tough, the problem is they are not enforced. A possible new law that punishes illegals, and the people they hire is a great idea.

too bad that, by the time it passes, it will be totally castrated....
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 10:43 AM
QUOTE (usfhett99 @ Mar 27 2006, 05:38 PM)
Our laws are tough, the problem is they are not enforced. A possible new law that punishes illegals, and the people they hire is a great idea.

Punishing the people that hire illegal aliens would be somewhat more effective in deterring (we're just talking exclusively about Mexicans?) such immigrants from seeking "residence" in the US....Maybe something similar to the laws we have in regards to prostitution.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (2WarVet @ Mar 27 2006, 04:00 PM)
Very good point........i was just ranting lol.......but do you agree with illegal immigrants being granted mortgage loans?

yes and no. In the situation of the man in the article that tomorrowlightxx posted, i see no problem. The man is a hard working, taxpaying member of society that is using his Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), given to him by the IRS, in place of a ssn. So it's not like the man is fully undocumented.
But not just any person who comes in illegally should be able to get a mortgage.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 03:25 PM
QUOTE (rasec008 @ Mar 28 2006, 11:13 AM)
yes and no. In the situation of the man in the article that tomorrowlightxx posted, i see no problem. The man is a hard working, taxpaying member of society that is using his Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), given to him by the IRS, in place of a ssn. So it's not like the man is fully undocumented.
But not just any person who comes in illegally should be able to get a mortgage.

True, if they come in illegaly, and later reconcile their differences and become legal, fine. Give them the loan if they qualify. But if they jump the border and run to a bank......call INS. I don't have a problem in the world with people immigrating as long as they go throught the proper channels and do it legally. The ones that jump the border tend to be the ones who are going to cause problems and break laws once they're here. We have enough criminals of our own without allowing another country's criminals walk right in.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 04:06 PM
QUOTE (2WarVet @ Mar 28 2006, 02:25 PM)
True, if they come in illegaly, and later reconcile their differences and become legal, fine. Give them the loan if they qualify. But if they jump the border and run to a bank......call INS. I don't have a problem in the world with people immigrating as long as they go throught the proper channels and do it legally. The ones that jump the border tend to be the ones who are going to cause problems and break laws once they're here. We have enough criminals of our own without allowing another country's criminals walk right in.

i think you have a misconception of the vast majority of the so called "border jumpers." Truth is, most come here to seek a better way of life by wroking a job that pays 5, 10, 20 times as much as the same job would in mexico. Most of them want to avoid the law, therefore they tend to lay low and stay under the radar so as to not draw attention to themselves.

This misperception that some have of the people coming across the border to only cause trouble is really irritating.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (empresss @ Mar 28 2006, 10:43 AM)
....Maybe something similar to the laws we have in regards to prostitution.

Are you suggesting that our laws against prostitution are effective? In my local newspaper there are at least 15 ads a day for escort services and at least 75 - 80 for massage parlors. I'd hate to see it if we stopped our enforcement efforts.
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (bwyble @ Mar 28 2006, 04:45 PM)
Are you suggesting that our laws against prostitution are effective? In my local newspaper there are at least 15 ads a day for escort services and at least 75 - 80 for massage parlors. I'd hate to see it if we stopped our enforcement efforts.

Frank Buffay Jr.? blink.gif
Posted: Mar 28 2006, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (bwyble @ Mar 28 2006, 03:45 PM)
Are you suggesting that our laws against prostitution are effective? In my local newspaper there are at least 15 ads a day for escort services and at least 75 - 80 for massage parlors. I'd hate to see it if we stopped our enforcement efforts.

Canadian.Laws.

Yes, there is escort services here also. The $$ is not in exchange for sex, it is compensation for their "time".