War with Iran...

QUOTE (Yankee @ Feb 27 2007, 12:00 PM)

let us not forget that Iran is a formidable enemy....just look at the armor piercing rounds they have developed that are slicing up our humvees....

i read also about an anti aircraft carrier missile...of course there is always a lot of bluster coming out of Iran, but we can't take our power for granted....

Just like in the first Iraq war, they said our causlties would be 30,000. Even with our forces in Iraq, our air capabilites could cripple their military in a few days.

QUOTE (hett @ Feb 27 2007, 01:51 PM)

Just like in the first Iraq war, they said our causlties would be 30,000. Even with our forces in Iraq, our air capabilites could cripple their military in a few days.

alls I'm saying is that they shouldn't be taken lightly....

QUOTE (Yankee @ Feb 27 2007, 02:56 PM)

alls I'm saying is that they shouldn't be taken lightly....

I'm not. It's a major committment and American military members will die in doing so, and Iran is crazy enough to pull some sick shit to kill Americans, so my hope is that we don't have to do this, I just don't see how we won't eventually.

QUOTE (hett @ Feb 27 2007, 01:59 PM)

I'm not. It's a major committment and American military members will die in doing so, and Iran is crazy enough to pull some sick shit to kill Americans, so my hope is that we don't have to do this, I just don't see how we won't eventually.

agreed. something MUST be done, because they won't volutarily give up their intentions - which are clear to any one who actually listens to what they say...

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Feb 14 2007, 01:25 PM)

For some reason I watched his (Bush) press conference and I really cant stomach anything the guy says, and that weird smirk and giggle he does just gets on my last nerve. I mean your being asked a serious question and u blow it off with the token Bush giggle and smirk while giving some bullshit answer that goes on for 5 minutes that could have been answered in a couple lines. I cant see him gaining any support for any new attacks at this point. In the eyes of the general public you are right his credibility and that of his cabinet is shot to hell and with good reason for the most part .

what specifically did he say that you disagree with?

at the end of the day, the threats against our nation are more important than any "support" for action against them.

regardless of any credibility or lack there-of, people can see for themselves the threats we face and the enemies we have...

if the tv networks and politicians can for once get over their own personal gain and care for a second about the good of the country, we would all be better off....ie., WINNING the war in iraq and not retreating / surrendering as the dems want - just so they can say it's bush's fault...

I like Yankee.

He's the kind of person that causes the rest of the world to hate the US.

When I travel overseas, mostly, they use the term, "Yank" or "Yankee" to be descriminitory against an American like myself. So, I yell at them. I say, "I BET YOU CAN'T EVEN NAME 4 STARTERS IN THE YANKEES LINEUP!" Then I say, "FUCK YOU! ORIOLES KICK ASS, BITCH!" Then I walk away from a person who is stunned in awe from an argument they don't understand.

QUOTE (Yankee @ Feb 28 2007, 09:36 AM)

what specifically did he say that you disagree with?

at the end of the day, the threats against our nation are more important than any "support" for action against them.

regardless of any credibility or lack there-of, people can see for themselves the threats we face and the enemies we have...

if the tv networks and politicians can for once get over their own personal gain and care for a second about the good of the country, we would all be better off....ie., WINNING the war in iraq and not retreating / surrendering as the dems want - just so they can say it's bush's fault...

I would not say that it is just soley Bush fault and I really dont need the media to tell me what to think about different situations that have occured. Credibility means a lot if you can not trust in your President or those you vote for on some level, when he says he's doing whats best for the country then the whole system falls apart. I mean like it or not they are working for us not vise versa.

Are we faced with threats? Of course and we will continue to have that problem because their is no way to actually have a war on terrorist or terrorism. I doubt that lil rainbow chart has put anyones mind at ease, and I see no way to actually "win" in Iraq. It will just be a repeat of history we come we destruct, we spend money hand over fist a lot of which we dont really know where it ends up, we give weapons, we train and we put someone in power we hope wont turn against us later.


The problem I have with Bush goes beyond the war and into some of the things he stands for and how he uses his religion as a bases for some of his reasonings.

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Feb 28 2007, 05:37 PM)

Are we faced with threats? Of course and we will continue to have that problem because their is no way to actually have a war on terrorist or terrorism. I doubt that lil rainbow chart has put anyones mind at ease, and I see no way to actually "win" in Iraq. It will just be a repeat of history we come we destruct, we spend money hand over fist a lot of which we dont really know where it ends up, we give weapons, we train and we put someone in power we hope wont turn against us later.






The problem I have with Bush goes beyond the war and into some of the things he stands for and how he uses his religion as a bases for some of his reasonings.

- That's why some people are military generals, and you are not.
That's a loser mentality, and your in denial of the existence of a clear and present danger.


- That's a silly comment....How do you or anyone else base the reasoning for your decisions?
All people live their life and base their decision making on their own personal beliefs, whether religious or otherwise.
That being said, I'm not a religious person and Bush hasn't said anything that I was terribly offended by. I haven't agreed with everything he has done, but I do believe he is doing the right thing for our country by facing the EVIL that is in front of us...instead of pretending that it doesn't exist...

War is an ugly situation no matter how you cut it....It can't be expected that we just go in there and wipe out the enemy and go home w/out any casualties.... People need to have historical perspective about the situation and realize the situation is nearly as bad as it's made out to be in terms of our losses....

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 1 2007, 12:58 PM)

- That's why some people are military generals, and you are not.
That's a loser mentality, and your in denial of the existence of a clear and present danger.


- That's a silly comment....How do you or anyone else base the reasoning for your decisions?
All people live their life and base their decision making on their own personal beliefs, whether religious or otherwise.
That being said, I'm not a religious person and Bush hasn't said anything that I was terribly offended by. I haven't agreed with everything he has done, but I do believe he is doing the right thing for our country by facing the EVIL that is in front of us...instead of pretending that it doesn't exist...

War is an ugly situation no matter how you cut it....It can't be expected that we just go in there and wipe out the enemy and go home w/out any casualties.... People need to have historical perspective about the situation and realize the situation is nearly as bad as it's made out to be in terms of our losses....

I know I am not a military general and never claimed to be such but that does not mean I cant have an opinion. So what you may call it loser mentality I call realistic. Terrorism existed long before 9-11 and will exist long after. Terrorist does not have a certain face or image contrary to popular belief, so it is an endless battle. Is there a way to minimize it? Sure, but to stop it no. We will be attacked again but that doesnt mean we have to live in fear of every thing around us. There were these same dangers around us before but now everything is magnified to the point were they had people stocking up on duct tape and rolls of plastic to cover their windows. What is this duck and cover 2007?

Your right people do go about their life and base their decisions on their own belief but when you are the president you have to realize you represent more then yourself more then christians more then white and more then those who are rich and more then str8 people. The task is biggger then most can handle but thats the job if being the President of the country. Im not a religious person but you dont have to be religious to see the bais curve that exist.

War is ugly and people die I know that, I have friends and a lot of family members who have been there and come back luckily I know the reality of war. And I know more of "them" are dying then us, thats why we dont broadcast a death toll for them because it would cause a freaking uproar.

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Mar 1 2007, 01:12 PM)

I know I am not a military general and never claimed to be such but that does not mean I cant have an opinion. So what you may call it loser mentality I call realistic. Terrorism existed long before 9-11 and will exist long after. Terrorist does not have a certain face or image contrary to popular belief, so it is an endless battle. Is there a way to minimize it? Sure, but to stop it no. We will be attacked again but that doesnt mean we have to live in fear of every thing around us. There were these same dangers around us before but now everything is magnified to the point were they had people stocking up on duct tape and rolls of plastic to cover their windows. What is this duck and cover 2007?

Your right people do go about their life and base their decisions on their own belief but when you are the president you have to realize you represent more then yourself more then christians more then white and more then those who are rich and more then str8 people. The task is biggger then most can handle but thats the job if being the President of the country. Im not a religious person but you dont have to be religious to see the bais curve that exist.

War is ugly and people die I know that, I have friends and a lot of family members who have been there and come back luckily I know the reality of war. And I know more of "them" are dying then us, thats why we dont broadcast a death toll for them because it would cause a freaking uproar.

yes, you never claimed to be, but you did say - you don't see how we can win -
Thats my point. maybe YOU can't see how that would be possible, but it is. Yes, I agree you are entitled to your opinion even if you don't get it, or are some loony toon - not saying you are of course....

Terrorism has been around a long time and will be around for a long time. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it. And sorry, to break it to you, terrorism does have a pretty clear face. If you refuse to admit it, let me tell you....
not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims...

so your saying that whenever he goes to decide something, he should do what?
for this decision, I'm not a christian? Right is right and if your right, you can't be wrong.

Is there a specific thing he said that you felt was out of line or made you say to yourself, "that damn religious man and his beliefs"??

Yankee for President.

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 1 2007, 03:55 PM)

yes, you never claimed to be, but you did say - you don't see how we can win -
Thats my point. maybe YOU can't see how that would be possible, but it is. Yes, I agree you are entitled to your opinion even if you don't get it, or are some loony toon - not saying you are of course....

Terrorism has been around a long time and will be around for a long time. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it. And sorry, to break it to you, terrorism does have a pretty clear face. If you refuse to admit it, let me tell you....
not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims...

so your saying that whenever he goes to decide something, he should do what?
for this decision, I'm not a christian? Right is right and if your right, you can't be wrong.

Is there a specific thing he said that you felt was out of line or made you say to yourself, "that damn religious man and his beliefs"??

If it is possible to win then how? How do you stop a terrorist? You cant you can only control the impact of its existance. There are people living here now that can at the drop of a dime say hey fuck the u.s and not "look" or be muslim(Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols), which is a religion and not a race of people. As great as it may look to some bombing a country into the stone age will not end terrorism or stop people from wanting to inflict harm on the u.s

Does that mean we shouldnt do something about it? Of course not but to tell us your fighting against evil-doers and liberating Iraq simply because he feels sorry for the people is bullshit. It would have made more sense to go to Iran from the beginning.

As I stated before my dislike for Bush and Cheney goes beyond their views or stance on the war but their views on abortion as well as gay rights.

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Mar 1 2007, 02:36 PM)

If it is possible to win then how? How do you stop a terrorist? You cant you can only control the impact of its existance. There are people living here now that can at the drop of a dime say hey fuck the u.s and not "look" or be muslim(Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols), which is a religion and not a race of people. As great as it may look to some bombing a country into the stone age will not end terrorism or stop people from wanting to inflict harm on the u.s

Does that mean we shouldnt do something about it? Of course not but to tell us your fighting against evil-doers and liberating Iraq simply because he feels sorry for the people is bullshit. It would have made more sense to go to Iran from the beginning.

As I stated before my dislike for Bush and Cheney goes beyond their views or stance on the war but their views on abortion as well as gay rights.

well simply put, you stop a terrorist by killing him.

i love when people like you bring up terry nichols and timithy mcviegh...yes, they were there and they did what they did which was an isolated incident. why can't we talk about events of our time? like last summer just for an example, when the plot was foiled to blow up ten airliners flying to the US. Need I remind you that the terrorists were planning to bring their explosives onboard in their babies bottle...along with their baby....when your dealing with people who hate you (yes - they hate liberals too) more than they love their own children - they must be killed and we must take all necessary measures to stop them wherever they are.


please don't re-write history regarding why we went to iraq. i'm not here to school you about it, although maybe i should since you seem to have some warped idea why we did go there. bottom line is, we went there - we all agreed to go there including all (most) of the democrats who are this day acting like they were against it from the beginning.

why would you condone going to iran, if you feel that bombing someone into the stone age would not achieve anything?

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 1 2007, 04:54 PM)

well simply put, you stop a terrorist by killing him.

i love when people like you bring up terry nichols and timithy mcviegh...yes, they were there and they did what they did which was an isolated incident. why can't we talk about events of our time? like last summer just for an example, when the plot was foiled to blow up ten airliners flying to the US. Need I remind you that the terrorists were planning to bring their explosives onboard in their babies bottle...along with their baby....when your dealing with people who hate you (yes - they hate liberals too) more than they love their own children - they must be killed and we must take all necessary measures to stop them wherever they are.


please don't re-write history regarding why we went to iraq. i'm not here to school you about it, although maybe i should since you seem to have some warped idea why we did go there. bottom line is, we went there - we all agreed to go there including all (most) of the democrats who are this day acting like they were against it from the beginning.

why would you condone going to iran, if you feel that bombing someone into the stone age would not achieve anything?

Of course you stop 1 terrorist by killing him thats common sense but that doesnt stop terrorism as a whole.

And how is what happened in Oklahoma now our time? Just because it didnt happen within a year doesnt mean it isnt relevant. If being liberal means not always agreeing with the left and not always agreeing with the right then fine Im a liberal and Im proud of it.

I know these terrorist hate Americans as a whole and not certain political parties and they would go to very extreme measures to make that point known which is more reason to believe that it cant be stopped completely. These terrorist can be children women and men so where do we start? Do we kill the children before they become adults? because Im pretty sure their going to hate us to.

Im not trying to "re-write" history. I was addressing the orginal point of this thread which was about going into Iran, and I dont come online to be "schooled", just because I dont agree with your take on the war doesnt make me wrong. Im not stupid I know there were a lot of Dems who agreed with the war in the begining as well as Rep. who are now backpeddling. I believe there should have been a better investigation of not only Iran but the Saudis as well.

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Mar 1 2007, 03:31 PM)

Of course you stop 1 terrorist by killing him thats common sense  but that doesnt stop terrorism as a whole.
edit:  the point is to kill them before they kill you.  will it ever end?  I don't know but we can't give them a chance to kill us.

And how is what happened in Oklahoma now our time? Just because it didnt happen within a year doesnt mean it isnt relevant. If being liberal means not always agreeing with the left and not always agreeing with the right then fine Im a liberal and Im proud of it. 

I know these terrorist hate Americans as a whole and not certain political parties and they would go to very extreme measures to make that point known which is more reason to believe that it cant be stopped completely. These terrorist can be children women and men so where do we start? Do we kill the children before they become adults? because Im pretty sure their going to hate us to.

Im not trying to "re-write" history. I was addressing the orginal point of this thread which was about going into Iran, and I dont come online to be "schooled", just because I dont agree with your take on the war doesnt make me wrong. Im not stupid I know there were a lot of Dems who agreed with the war in the begining as well as Rep. who are now backpeddling. I believe there should have been a better investigation of not only Iran but the Saudis as well.

you stop terrorists by killing enough of them so they realize there's no point fucking with us....to go to iraq and do a half ass job and get scared out of there only emboldens them and makes them feel as if they are winning...they are masters at manipulating things to fit their agenda...when we pull out, the next day they will all be saying, join us, look how we defeated the americans / westerners...

i don't see where your coming from...you talk like you think we should do something about terrorists...but then you also talk like we should do nothing...do you just want to do a little bit? or do you want to sit them down and talk to them....


oklahoma city happened 12 years ago....thats a little more than within a year...yes, that is relatively our time, but there have been much greater revelations since then that have changed the battlefield...that was a law enforcement issue...when you have an international gang of thugs come into your country and fire missiles basically at buildings and kill close to 3000 people, it's a little different...it's an act of war...

just a hypothetical...how would you feel if god forbid they set of a nuclear device inside our country? do you think they would if they had one? do you think it's crazy to think that they are doing everything they can to achieve just that? So should we just do nothing and wait for it to happen?

This post has been edited by Yankee on Mar 1 2007, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 1 2007, 05:51 PM)

you stop terrorists by killing enough of them so they realize there's no point fucking with us....to go to iraq and do a half ass job and get scared out of there only emboldens them and makes them feel as if they are winning...they are masters at manipulating things to fit their agenda...when we pull out, the next day they will all be saying, join us, look how we defeated the americans / westerners...

i don't see where your coming from...you talk like you think we should do something about terrorists...but then you also talk like we should do nothing...do you just want to do a little bit? or do you want to sit them down and talk to them....


oklahoma city happened 12 years ago....thats a little more than within a year...yes, that is relatively our time, but there have been much greater revelations since then that have changed the battlefield...that was a law enforcement issue...when you have an international gang of thugs come into your country and fire missiles basically at buildings and kill close to 3000 people, it's a little different...it's an act of war...

just a hypothetical...how would you feel if god forbid they set of a nuclear device inside our country? do you think they would if they had one? do you think it's crazy to think that they are doing everything they can to achieve just that? So should we just do nothing and wait for it to happen?

"...they are masters at manipulating things to fit their agenda"

The same can be said about our presidency. Do you actually believe we are winning this war? At best we are at a stand still, we're over there and we dont know how to leave without making it look like a complete failure. Just because I dont believe that we should wipe out a population doesnt mean that something cant be done. The whole " sit down and talk to them" comment is almost as ridiculous as Zell Millers "fighting with spit ball" comment. If we cant kill them all we cant kill anyone? Why is it so out of the blue to think that if it isnt one extreme it has to be another?


If they are able to set off a nuclear device inside our country today then obviously our government has failed us once again and someone has dropped the ball more so then before because of course now we're suppose to be safer then before?

Is it crazy to think that their trying? No and of course we shouldnt just wait but we dont even know who we are looking for. Terrorist are sprouting left and right with their own beliefs and agendas. If by chance Osama is killed do you honestly think that they will stop and submit? Without being replaced by someone with the same agenda who will gain support of other like minded people who will try to avenge his death.

terrorists your game is through
now you'll have to answer to
America, FUCK YEAH!!!

You can lick my butt
and suck on my balls

QUOTE (junkiecosmonaut @ Mar 1 2007, 09:39 PM)

terrorists your game is through
now you'll have to answer to
America, FUCK YEAH!!!

You can lick my butt
and suck on my balls

Are those the lyrics from a new Toby Keith song?

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Mar 1 2007, 09:05 PM)

Are those the lyrics from a new Toby Keith song?

If it's not, is should be.

QUOTE (Gkisses @ Mar 1 2007, 09:05 PM)

Are those the lyrics from a new Toby Keith song?

SRSLY?

Iranezuela Airlines: Fly the Liberated Skies


"Just in time for that fashionable Iranian family who wants to spend their vacation in sunny Caracas, beginning in March, Iran’s national airline has announced that it will begin non-stop flights between Iran and Venezuela. The Islamic Republic News Agency is reporting that this business partnership will improve and enhance the “communications and exchanges” between the two anti-American countries. In the past couple of years, Iranian President Mahmound Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, have developed a brother-in-arms friendship, and have both stated they wanted to save the human race together by completely eliminating the U.S. empire."

This post has been edited by Yankee on Mar 7 2007, 07:16 AM

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 7 2007, 08:15 AM)

"In the past couple of years, Iranian President Mahmound Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, have developed a homos-in-arms friendship,"

fixed

not really Iran, but terror related...

Democrats Want Gitmo Prisoners Sent to U.S.


Sometimes I wonder who's side these guys are really on....

QUOTE (Yankee @ Mar 7 2007, 07:15 AM)

Iranezuela Airlines: Fly the Liberated Skies


"Just in time for that fashionable Iranian family who wants to spend their vacation in sunny Caracas, beginning in March, Iran’s national airline has announced that it will begin non-stop flights between Iran and Venezuela. The Islamic Republic News Agency is reporting that this business partnership will improve and enhance the “communications and exchanges” between the two anti-American countries. In the past couple of years, Iranian President Mahmound Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, have developed a brother-in-arms friendship, and have both stated they wanted to save the human race together by completely eliminating the U.S. empire."

i wonder what type of food they'll be serving