Karl Rove needs to go to Jail (Bob Novak too)

Posted: Jul 3 2005, 08:19 AM
If this is true, I hope these pieces of shit will be exposed for who they really are. For everyone who hadn't heard, the Supreme Court recently came down with a decision that said several reporters were obligated to reveal their sources in a case that outed an undercover CIA agent. That CIA agent, Valerie Plame, was outed after her husband, Joseph Wilson spoke against George W. Bush. Wilson is a former ambassador. Who outed her? Conservative columnest Bob Novak. That should be enough to put him in jail, but instead, the people threatened with jail were the two reporters (who never published the information, but knew where it came from.) These reporters are now revealing the source of the information.

Where did the leak come from? It was unknown until now, but with the court decision, two seperate sources are now saying that the leak came from Karl Rove. If Rove leaked the identity of an undercover CIA operative, and Bob Novak published it, they should both be imprisoned for treason. If it's true, this was done for the simple reason that her husband spoke against Bush, saying he lied to the American people about Iraq WMD.

Everyone, including Republicans should be outraged about this. I'm sure they will downplay it, but wow- if something can be called treason, this is definitely it. Revealing the identity of an undercover CIA operative, putting her and her family in danger for purely political purposes? That's class. rolleyes.gif If this doesn't get buried, this could be huge. Just one more thing in the growing pile of evidence that this administration is a piece of shit.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000972841
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame
Posted: Jul 3 2005, 08:30 AM
Nothing this administration does suprises me drink.gif
Posted: Jul 3 2005, 10:08 AM
Talk about boo-hoo. Let's see how many of your CREATED topics are whinning about the republicans. Shall I count them?!?! Wait.... with your 23 posts a day it and 9292 post (which will probably flip over to 9300 in no time flat) I don't think I have enough time to count. I mean, I have a job, I have to goto work, I don't have all day to sit here and post.
Posted: Jul 3 2005, 12:33 PM
you know what else is a fuckin farse thats your sig you ungrateful piece of shit

Number of U.S. troops in Iraq- 135,000
Number of coalition troops in Iraq- 23,250
Number of Iraqi security forces- 168,581
Number of insurgents & militants- 16,000

The cost of losing an insurgent (but not guerilla) war when your side has 326,831 soldiers and the other side has just 16,000: Priceless (or about $180,000,000,000.00)


im about tired of you and your fuckin posts and comments about the war not once have i seen you post 1 god dam good thing that this war has brought out..im waiting on the day you start posting the daily fatility list of soldiers in iraq...you supposidly toat a gun how many time have you been driving and rode by a dead dog infested with 30 pounds of atni tank rounds along with the 15 insurgents waiting withing in meters to clean up the mess...or sat at a dui checkpoint and had a SBIED/VBIED packed with 200 pounds of artillery packed into every concievable spot breaking through and killing 5 of your cops...how about you loose the fuckin anti american/troop sig and think that some of those kids over there have more fuckin guts than you will ever have you steaming pile of dog shit maybe if you or your fatass wife was over in iraq right now you might change your tune

so untill then fuck you and the horse you rode in on
Posted: Jul 3 2005, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (dcranger @ Jul 3 2005, 12:33 PM)
you know what else is a fuckin farse thats your sig you ungrateful piece of shit

Number of U.S. troops in Iraq- 135,000
Number of coalition troops in Iraq- 23,250
Number of Iraqi security forces- 168,581
Number of insurgents & militants- 16,000

The cost of losing an insurgent (but not guerilla) war when your side has 326,831 soldiers and the other side has just 16,000: Priceless (or about $180,000,000,000.00)


im about tired of you and your fuckin posts and comments about the war not once have i seen you post 1 god dam good thing that this war has brought out..im waiting on the day you start posting the daily fatility list of soldiers in iraq...you supposidly toat a gun how many time have you been driving and rode by a dead dog infested with 30 pounds of atni tank rounds along with the 15 insurgents waiting withing in meters to clean up the mess...or sat at a dui checkpoint and had a SBIED/VBIED packed with 200 pounds of artillery packed into every concievable spot breaking through and killing 5 of your cops...how about you loose the fuckin anti american/troop sig and think that some of those kids over there have more fuckin guts than you will ever have you steaming pile of dog shit maybe if you or your fatass wife was over in iraq right now you might change your tune

so untill then fuck you and the horse you rode in on

Come on now, don't sugar coat it. Tell him how you really feel.
Posted: Jul 3 2005, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (dcranger @ Jul 3 2005, 01:33 PM)
im about tired of you and your fuckin posts and comments about the war not once have i seen you post 1 god dam good thing that this war has brought out..im waiting on the day you start posting the daily fatility list of soldiers in iraq...you supposidly toat a gun how many time have you been driving and rode by a dead dog infested with 30 pounds of atni tank rounds along with the 15 insurgents waiting withing in meters to clean up the mess...or sat at a dui checkpoint and had a SBIED/VBIED packed with 200 pounds of artillery packed into every concievable spot breaking through and killing 5 of your cops...how about you loose the fuckin anti american/troop sig and think that some of those kids over there have more fuckin guts than you will ever have you steaming pile of dog shit maybe if you or  your fatass wife was over in iraq right now you might change your tune

so untill then fuck you and the horse you rode in on

listen I am going to let jak rip your ass apart like it deserves to be ripped apart. I am fully capable of it, but I believe this is jaks fight not mine, so I'll let him respond in detail to the nonsense you just posted... I would like to point out that not ONE us soldier would have to fight any insurgent had Bush not lied to get us over there in the first place.... you want proof about this lie, that neither Bush, Blair, or the godly Usfhett99 have proven false..then here you go..click me and while you are at it read up here too http://www.collegeslackers.com/forum/index...topic=4795&st=0

This thread is about releasing the name of a cia operative after he husband spoke out against Bush...you don't think if this was intentional, that these fuckers should be put up on charges of treason....They EXPOSED a governement official and put her life on the line...how do you accidently release the name of a top secret agent?? That is beyond an accident...hmm what do they call that... I'm thinking... Oh yeah! TREASON! rolleyes.gif

You stick to cutting grass...let the big boys talk politics




This post has been edited by ferris on Jul 3 2005, 10:32 PM

Posted: Jul 3 2005, 10:42 PM
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Posted: Jul 4 2005, 03:54 AM
Novak should definitely be in jail... its right there in plain English: It is ILLEGAL to knowingly disclose the identity of a CIA agent. Yet he did it, and he is still on fucking CNN having suffered no repercussions whatsoever!

If Rove is involved, I could see the shit hitting the fan potentially... assuming that somebody (presumably the Democrats, if they grow spines) stands up and shouts it from the rooftops that the man is a treasonous criminal fuck.
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 07:31 AM
im not going to argue with you ferris i dont have any beef with you just jak saying that our troops are incompotent of doing the job at hand


as for the war i think i could be wrong..but i think that every1 saw the same paperwork all the same files so your side is as much to blame for this as ours but we never hear you say that..i would go on more but the grass needs to be mowed
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (dcranger @ Jul 3 2005, 02:33 PM)
you know what else is a fuckin farse thats your sig you ungrateful piece of shit

Number of U.S. troops in Iraq- 135,000
Number of coalition troops in Iraq- 23,250
Number of Iraqi security forces- 168,581
Number of insurgents & militants- 16,000

The cost of losing an insurgent (but not guerilla) war when your side has 326,831 soldiers and the other side has just 16,000: Priceless (or about $180,000,000,000.00)


im about tired of you and your fuckin posts and comments about the war not once have i seen you post 1 god dam good thing that this war has brought out..im waiting on the day you start posting the daily fatility list of soldiers in iraq...you supposidly toat a gun how many time have you been driving and rode by a dead dog infested with 30 pounds of atni tank rounds along with the 15 insurgents waiting withing in meters to clean up the mess...or sat at a dui checkpoint and had a SBIED/VBIED packed with 200 pounds of artillery packed into every concievable spot breaking through and killing 5 of your cops...how about you loose the fuckin anti american/troop sig and think that some of those kids over there have more fuckin guts than you will ever have you steaming pile of dog shit maybe if you or your fatass wife was over in iraq right now you might change your tune

so untill then fuck you and the horse you rode in on

DC, you are the biggest pussy-faggot of the bunch. Not only are you so retarded that you can't even type in complete, legible sentences, but everything you post is so full of shit, that it's a chore just responding to it. Maybe if you weren't such a dipshit, the military would actually take you, but either they won't- because you're a fuck up, or you're just a pussy, and like to talk a lot of shit, but is really much to big of a chickenshit to man the fuck up and go to Iraq. The more I think about it, I'm betting that's what it is. You looked pretty healthy in the pic that Aurelia posted, outside of the hilariously funny chicken legs. Although, those kind of go with the big yellow stripe down your back. Even if all you say is true, you must be doing much more for this country by mowing lawns and living in your mom's basement than me, right? Because there's nothing you could come up with to actually do your part here? No, I'd say you are the biggest pussy here- ya, it takes a real tough guy to post pictures of dead people and guns. Ya, right Ranger- I'M the loser- aren't you the stupid fuck that got banned for being a douche, then tried your hardest to get back on here, PM'ing and IM'ing everyone, trying to get let back, for months? Then you finally did get let back after you whined to Paul and Tim, and they finally got sick of it? I guess that makes you much cooler than me.

I think that the reason you just came back with a retarded attack against me, rather than responding to what I post (like you always do) is because you are too fucking stupid to make a halfway intelligent response. Hell, I bet you don't even understand what I was talking about in that post. If you do, and you think I'm wrong- that it's ok to out a CIA operative because their spouse calls the president a liar, then in addition to being semi-retarded and a pussy, you are also a traitor yourself.

As for my "fat wife," I posted pictures, and everyone can read the comments people posted in response. Hell, I even re-posted the link last time you wanted to talk shit. If I recall, I asked you to post a picture of your girlfriend- which you didn't do, probably because if you have one (which I doubt, being that you are so annoying) she is fucking ugly or freakishly fat, since not many normal girls want to go out with a retarded kid.

Have fun being a lawn boy, and enjoy community college while living in your mom's basement, while you let the real men take care of that whole "defending the nation" thing. Maybe next time I'm in Florida, I'll go golfing at your course, and I'll request you as my bitch (oops, I mean caddie.)
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 12:33 PM
went looking fer that Karl Rove pic from American Dad but,can't find it mad.gif
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 01:43 PM
QUOTE (jakubow2 @ Jul 4 2005, 12:53 PM)
DC, you are the biggest pussy-faggot of the bunch.  Not only are you so retarded that you can't even type in complete, legible sentences, but everything you post is so full of shit, that it's a chore just responding to it.  Maybe if you weren't such a dipshit, the military would actually take you, but either they won't- because you're a fuck up, or you're just a pussy, and like to talk a lot of shit, but is really much to big of a chickenshit to man the fuck up and go to Iraq.  The more I think about it, I'm betting that's what it is.  You looked pretty healthy in the pic that Aurelia posted, outside of the hilariously funny chicken legs.  Although, those kind of go with the big yellow stripe down your back.  Even if all you say is true, you must be doing much more for this country by mowing lawns and living in your mom's basement than me, right?  Because there's nothing you could come up with to actually do your part here?  No, I'd say you are the biggest pussy here- ya, it takes a real tough guy to post pictures of dead people and guns.  Ya, right Ranger- I'M the loser- aren't you the stupid fuck that got banned for being a douche, then tried your hardest to get back on here, PM'ing and IM'ing everyone, trying to get let back, for months?  Then you finally did get let back after you whined to Paul and Tim, and they finally got sick of it?  I guess that makes you much cooler than me. 

I think that the reason you just came back with a retarded attack against me, rather than responding to what I post (like you always do) is because you are too fucking stupid to make a halfway intelligent response.  Hell, I bet you don't even understand what I was talking about in that post.  If you do, and you think I'm wrong- that it's ok to out a CIA operative because their spouse calls the president a liar, then in addition to being semi-retarded and a pussy, you are also a traitor yourself. 

As for my "fat wife," I posted pictures, and everyone can read the comments people posted in response.  Hell, I even re-posted the link last time you wanted to talk shit.  If I recall, I asked you to post a picture of your girlfriend- which you didn't do, probably because if you have one (which I doubt, being that you are so annoying) she is fucking ugly or freakishly fat, since not many normal girls want to go out with a retarded kid. 

Have fun being a lawn boy, and enjoy community college while living in your mom's basement, while you let the real men take care of that whole "defending the nation" thing.  Maybe next time I'm in Florida, I'll go golfing at your course, and I'll request you as my bitch (oops, I mean caddie.)

see I'm glad I let jak rip his ass apart..... I would post an owned picture, but some people here have really overused them...

btw, I remember seeing jaks wife's picture awhile back, and I thought she was very attractive

This post has been edited by ferris on Jul 4 2005, 01:43 PM

Posted: Jul 4 2005, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (ferris @ Jul 4 2005, 01:43 PM)
see I'm glad I let jak rip his ass apart..... I would post an owned picture, but some people here have really overused them...

btw, I remember seeing jaks wife's picture awhile back, and I thought she was very attractive

yeah and i up'd it in the general discussion maybe some ppl wont be fake as fuck now
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 04:35 PM
QUOTE (dcranger @ Jul 4 2005, 04:00 PM)
yeah and i up'd it in the general discussion maybe some ppl wont be fake as fuck now

Need these, DC?
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Posted: Jul 4 2005, 06:31 PM
Back on topic. If there is a God, this story will break this week, when the sources are revealed. In the meantime, here's a story showing that Karl "Traitor" Rove is refusing interviews about this.

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Two days after his lawyer confirmed that his name turned up as a source in Matthew Cooper's notes on the Valerie Plame/CIA case, top White House adviser Karl Rove refused to answer questions about the development today.
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/articl...t_id=1000972931


Here's some video on this matter:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/07/02.html#a3746


Not only may Karl Rove go to jail, but this will look HORRIBLE for a president that really doesn't need any more horrible press.
Posted: Jul 4 2005, 11:48 PM
IF this is true, then Rove should go to jail. But I am pretty sure that Rove isn't in the position to comment publically on the situation while there is a grand jury investigation. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Posted: Jul 5 2005, 08:11 AM
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Posted: Jul 5 2005, 08:21 AM
This is going to be sweet when this story actually breaks. A top andministration committing treason, and undermining the war on terror. thumbs.gif Maybe they will actually take some responsibility for something now, but I doubt it.

It's getting better every day. Let's get his cell ready.
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Newsweek: Rove spoke to reporter before leak
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Newsweek magazine is reporting that e-mails between Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and his editors show that Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser, spoke to Cooper in the days before a CIA operative's identity was revealed in the media, but it wasn't clear what Cooper and Rove discussed.


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Posted: Jul 5 2005, 10:49 AM
I would like to know how Rove knew who was a CIA agent and who wasn't. Political advisor doesn't get you national defense clearance. I guess we will see what happens.
Posted: Jul 5 2005, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (jake @ Jul 4 2005, 08:31 PM)


Not only may Karl Rove go to jail, but this will look HORRIBLE for a president that really doesn't need any more horrible press.

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Posted: Jul 6 2005, 05:56 AM
My favorite part of this is the whole role reversal since it's been discovered that this was Rove. (Which it IS definitely Rove, the only question now is what he knew, and his intent)

When the Supreme Court came down with their decision, liberals cried foul, saying that reporters rights should be protected. Conservatives said otherwise, saying that they should have to reveal their sources or go to jail. Now that it's Rove, liberals are so excited about this that they could just shit, and Conservatives are calling foul.

Personally, my view on this was always in agreement with the Supreme Court. I think that the integrity of reporters comes in risking the threat of jail to protect their sources, not that it's legal to refuse a court order to reveal sources. I did disagree in this case with the magazine and reporters revealing the source. They should have just gone to jail (which they still may do) to protect them if they wanted to protect future anonymous sources. However, since they did give it up, I'm glad it was that snake, Karl Rove.
Posted: Jul 6 2005, 02:12 PM
QUOTE (jake @ Jul 6 2005, 03:56 AM)
I did disagree in this case with the magazine and reporters revealing the source. They should have just gone to jail (which they still may do) to protect them if they wanted to protect future anonymous sources. However, since they did give it up, I'm glad it was that snake, Karl Rove.

Agreed. As a former journalist myself, I side heavily with reporters against being forced to reveal confidential sources. On the other hand, when it endangers national security (or involves treasonous actions within top-levels of government), I say go for it. It's just a bonus that Karl Rove is involved.
Posted: Jul 6 2005, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Nate @ Jul 6 2005, 04:12 PM)
Agreed. As a former journalist myself, I side heavily with reporters against being forced to reveal confidential sources. On the other hand, when it endangers national security (or involves treasonous actions within top-levels of government), I say go for it. It's just a bonus that Karl Rove is involved.

Plus, the intent of reporters not revealing their source is to protect whistleblowers- for example, if someone in government is committing a crime (like watergate.) In this case, the reporters are actually covering up a crime, and harming the whistleblower (Wilson) by not revealing their sources.
Posted: Jul 6 2005, 02:23 PM
QUOTE (jake @ Jul 6 2005, 12:15 PM)
Plus, the intent of reporters not revealing their source is to protect whistleblowers- for example, if someone in government is committing a crime (like watergate.) In this case, the reporters are actually covering up a crime, and harming the whistleblower (Wilson) by not revealing their sources.

Exactly... they are protecting the bad guys, not the good guys, which undermines the whole purpose of the thing.
Posted: Jul 6 2005, 03:22 PM
As more of this comes out, this might need to be merged with the "proof we were lied to in Iraq" thread. Take a look at the timeline.

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February 2002
Wilson, a trusted Republican- appointed by Bush I, and who was asked to campaign with Bush/Cheney in 2000,  travels to Niger at the request of the CIA to investigate claims of "Yellowcake Uranium."  He finds NOTHING to support this, and relays that to the president through the CIA. He also concluded that since yellowcake mining is managed by an international consortium and supervised by the International Atomic Energy Agency, this was unlikely.  http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

January 2003
On January 29 President George W. Bush gives his State of the Union speech. Toward the end of the speech he says, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."  (Even though he knew that to be false- the British documents turned out to be a forgery)  Bush continues to make the Uranium allegations, which baffles Wilson.

6 July 2003
Wilson's Op-Ed article "What I Didn't Find in Africa" published in New York Times.
(see above link)

14 July 2003
"Mission to Niger" is written by Robert Novak: "Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger.... The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him."

8 August 2003
Days after Wilson "publicly voiced doubts about a reported Iraqi weapons program," Wilson says he became "a target of a campaign to discourage others like him from going public.... [and] Wilson's wife was identified by name as a covert C.I.A. operative in a column by the conservative columnist Robert Novak, a disclosure that Mr. Novak has attributed to senior administration officials."

29 September 2003
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan on Karl Rove: "He wasn't involved,... The president knows he wasn't involved. ... It's simply not true."

1 October 2003
Wilson told Ted Koppel on Nightline that "Washington reporters told him that senior White House adviser Karl Rove said his wife was 'fair game'." Wilson "plans to give the names of the reporters to the FBI, which is conducting a full-blown investigation of the possible leak."

15 February 2005 
"A unanimous three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington ... held that the reporters, Judith Miller of The New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, may have witnessed a federal crime - the disclosure by government officials of the (CIA) officer's identity. The First Amendment, the panel ruled, does not give reporters the right to refuse to cooperate with grand juries investigating such crimes."

27 June 2005
The Supreme Court of the United States declines to hear appeals by Miller and Cooper of the February 15 ruling above.

30 June 2005
Norman Pearlstine, Time Inc.'s editor in chief agrees to provide documents concerning the confidential sources of Matthew Cooper to a grand jury .

1 July 2005
Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, on the McLaughlin Group stated: "And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

July 2005
Michael Isikoff reports in Newsweek that Karl Rove spoke with Matt Cooper days before the Novak story.  E-mails and notes confirm this.  Rove's story (through his lawyer) changes from being "not involved" to having not "knowingly disclosed" the identity of an undercover operative.


So basically, to sum it all up, Wilson goes to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq may have gotten WMD material there. He finds those claims to be false. Bush STILL USES THESE CLAIMS. When Wilson calls him out for it publicly, his undercover CIA operative wife is outed- putting her and her family in danger, not to mention undermining the war on terror, and leading to the deaths of unknown numbers of her foreign sources. All this was to punish Wilson for speaking publicly that Bush lied about claims of WMD. Recent documents show that Rove spoke with the Time magazine reporters, as well as Bob Novak, just before the articles were published. This is not only treason, and working against the war on terror, but also more evidence that Bush lied about Iraq. Don't forget, Wilson was a lifelong Republican before all of this. The Bush/Cheney campaign asked him to campaign with them in 2000, and he was appointed by Bush Sr. He was hailed as "truly inspiring" and "courageous" by George H. W. Bush after sheltering more than a hundred Americans at the US embassy in Baghdad, and mocking Saddam Hussein's threats to execute anyone who refused to hand over foreigners.

Please, I beg of you- tell me how everything I have posted, now including this, doesn't add up to Bush probably lying about Iraq? Like I've asked dozens of times before, but never gotten an answer, what is the MOST LIKELY answer? You have the Project for a New American Century advocating world domination starting with regime change in Iraq- that group becomes the Bush administration. You have Richard Clark and Paul O'Neil saying that they were to make 9/11 about Iraq. How about the claims of WMD, even though they knew the intel was faulty? How about the fact that we were bombing to provoke Saddam into an attack? Think about this stuff people. There are dozens of other things in the "proof" thread." You really are kidding yourselves.