cindy sheehan has become

a liberal mouthpiece

Posted: Aug 16 2005, 02:38 PM
she should stop disgracing all of the fallen soldiers, including her son.
I'm curios to see what kind of support for her I'll hear about in this thread...
Posted: Aug 16 2005, 02:46 PM
before all the bush haters start with the trash talking....have a gander at this article by Rich Lowry. He says it well.....

How long can it be until Cindy Sheehan gets her own show on the left-wing radio network Air America? The mother of a 24-year-old killed in Iraq, who has camped out in Crawford, Texas, demanding a meeting with President Bush, has made herself the mouthpiece not of those many Americans skeptical about a war that has proven far more difficult than advertised, but of howling-at-the-moon, bile-spewing Bush haters.
Bush has always been lucky in his opposition, whether it be Al Gore or John Kerry and the Hollywood stars and MoveOn.org activists who surrounded him. Sheehan seemed an exception. She's a mother whose loss gives her the moral standing to question the war. Her request seems eminently reasonable a mere meeting with the man who sent her son to war. But Bush is proving fortunate again, and no evil machinations by Karl Rove have been necessary. Sheehan has discredited herself.
She has charged that Bush "that lying bastard," "that maniac" killed her son. This is unforgivably sloppy moral reasoning. An Iraq insurgent killed her son (some outrage directed toward that killer would seem appropriate, but apparently Sheehan can't muster it). The Iraq war was congressionally authorized by bipartisan majorities. If Bush killed her son, so did Kerry, who voted to authorize the war. If supporting the war is tantamount to murder, someone should arrest Sen. Joe Biden for vocally supporting our continued presence in Iraq.
Maybe Sheehan's accusation is just the sloppy rhetoric of a grieving mom? No, she means it. On a July 12 posting on the left-wing website DailyKos.com, Sheehan raved that she was undertaking her protest "for all our brave souls (American or Iraqi) who have been murdered by the Bush crime family. I told my Congressman that he needs to speak out against the lies and murder." This is paranoia reminiscent of the Clinton-murdered-people charges of loony right-wingers during the 1990s. Except those people never got media attention, unless it was to discredit them.
In a conference call with antiwar bloggers last week, Sheehan said that without the Internet America "would already be a fascist state." She maintained that "the mainstream media is a propaganda tool for the government." And she referred to last year's presidential election as "the election, quote-unquote, that happened in November." Nothing would help Sheehan's cause more than an extended bout of dignified silence, of which she seems incapable.
As for her request for a meeting with Bush, it is a sham. She says she wants to ask Bush why her son had to die. But she already knows, or thinks she knows. She said in a recent speech, directed at Bush: "You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East."
Sheehan already met with Bush once before. The request for a second meeting seems mostly about publicity. It's the basis for her presence at Crawford that has drawn so many cameras. She obviously doesn't seek comfort from Bush, nor can she tell him anything that he can't already read in the press about how she thinks he should be "tried on war crimes and go to jail."
In the end, it isn't that Bush is lucky in his opponents so much that his opposition is poisoned by its own noxious passions. It's not an accident that the antiwar movement throws up leaders like Michael Moore, the dishonest filmmaker, and Cindy Sheehan. They reflect its own inability to distinguish between legitimate criticisms of the war and unhinged but emotionally self-satisfying attacks that will turn off most Americans. At a difficult phase in Iraq, it is especially important that the nation have a responsible, constructive opposition. Cindy Sheehan demonstrates that the Left is still incapable of providing one.

This post has been edited by MauriceChavez on Nov 30 2005, 04:13 PM

Posted: Aug 16 2005, 03:04 PM
there is already a thread going about this.

you all believe your right wing rhetoric and the left wing will believe theirs.

no, rove doesn't need to pull anything out of a hat to stop her. the media, especially fox news, have already launch an impressive smear campaign. this is politics as usual. anyhow, can we combine these two threads into one?
Posted: Aug 16 2005, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (Sneaky Bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:04 PM)
there is already a thread going about this.

you all believe your right wing rhetoric and the left wing will believe theirs.

no, rove doesn't need to pull anything out of a hat to stop her. the media, especially fox news, have already launch an impressive smear campaign. this is politics as usual. anyhow, can we combine these two threads into one?

fact is fact, not rhetoric
Posted: Aug 16 2005, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (Maurice Chavez @ Aug 16 2005, 03:23 PM)
fact is fact, not rhetoric

whats fact
Posted: Aug 16 2005, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (Maurice Chavez @ Aug 16 2005, 04:23 PM)
fact is fact, not rhetoric

oh so you like facts.....well then by all means discredit the FACTS .... facts

oh and until then.... user posted image
Posted: Aug 17 2005, 11:18 AM
somebody needs to remind this bitch that her son volunteered to serve and protect this country. he died a hero and all that anyone is going to remember about him now is that his mom is a psycho.
Posted: Aug 17 2005, 11:34 AM
I am disappointed in her. I respect her loss, her son's sacrifice. I empathize with the emotional toll it must have taken on her and her family. If she truly believes in what she is doing than she should stop. What started as a one woman campaign has been subverted by the right/left entities for their own agendas. Soon the jugglers, clowns, and the rest of the media circus that crave publicity will join her in the ditch. People will come from all over the world to hug you and spit on you, all for their 15 minutes of fame.

She has every right to protest, she has every right to be there. I just hope she can see what is happening around her and realize it is time to end it.
Posted: Aug 17 2005, 11:37 AM
QUOTE (Spazstic @ Aug 17 2005, 10:34 AM)
I am disappointed in her. I respect her loss, her son's sacrifice. I empathize with the emotional toll it must have taken on her and her family. If she truly believes in what she is doing than she should stop. What started as a one woman campaign has been subverted by the right/left entities for their own agendas. Soon the jugglers, clowns, and the rest of the media circus that crave publicity will join her in the ditch. People will come from all over the world to hug you and spit on you, all for their 15 minutes of fame.

She has every right to protest, she has every right to be there. I just hope she can see what is happening around her and realize it is time to end it.

well put thumbs.gif
Posted: Aug 17 2005, 02:28 PM
Listen, retards-

You want to see something that dishonors our troops? How about this- near Cindy Sheehan, the protestors had put together a group of crosses- one for every service member who has been killed. They even had names on them. One of your piece of shit, right wing buddies decided to mow them down with his truck. Where is the outrage from the right on this? If an antiwar protestor did this to a display supporting the war, the Republicans and Christians would be shitting themselves right now.
http://crawfordupdate.blogspot.com/2005/08...-awakening.html

Check out the video- patriotic, eh?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/16.html#a4481



How is it that people are so pissed about one mom who lost a son, and only wants to talk to Bush, yet the guy who's lies have gotten so many people killed gets a free pass? (I'll give you a hint- it's because people are stupid)
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Posted: Aug 17 2005, 03:09 PM
We are still talking about this? Sigh...
Posted: Aug 17 2005, 03:16 PM
First off, If these idiots were trying to stop traffic, and i couldnt get home because these idiots were crowding the roads, I may have very well have ran over the crosses as well. As far as the guy is concerned how do we know he did not have an emergency? And because of these idiots he had to do this. You make it sound like he ran them over just to run them over.

Also this sheehan lady is nuts. Her own family has came out and called her an idiot and said she needed to quit this bs.


Lastly, tell me why the president should speak to her. We all know what she will do, All she will do is yell and scream and accuse him of murdering her son which is garbage.

GW already met with her once and after the first time they met she was singing his praises. So the question is who changed her mind?
Posted: Aug 18 2005, 07:54 AM
QUOTE (AAisforwimps @ Aug 17 2005, 05:16 PM)
As far as the guy is concerned how do we know he did not have an emergency? And because of these idiots he had to do this. You make it sound like he ran them over just to run them over.

Your joking, right? That's what happened. That's why he got arrested. It's probably also the reason he was dragging a big ass pipe by a chain behind his truck. An emergency?? lol.gif lol.gif
Posted: Aug 23 2005, 03:10 PM
Good article on this:
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Sheehan a critical tipping point for Bush presidency?
By the strictest terms and in the most fundamental way, President Bush is right not to meet with Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who created the encamped protest down in Crawford, Texas.  There are thousands of parents and relatives who, like her, have lost loved ones in Iraq and many of them would also like to talk to the president. If he opens the door to her, why not open the door to all of them? In fact, meeting with Ms. Sheehan would open the door to meetings with anyone who feels passionately about any topic and wants to talk to the president.

That's the reality of the situation. The objective reality. But, of course, for anyone occupying the Oval Office, there's also the political reality, which is this: Mr. Bush should have met with Sheehan when she arrived in Crawford. He should have talked with her about her loss, the hard road ahead and the stakes in Iraq - with the cameras rolling if that's what she wanted.  Because the political reality is that the Cindy Sheehan story isn't about Sheehan at all, it's about the public perception of Iraq - and the polls show troubling times ahead for the president.

By now you've probably heard all about Sheehan. You know her son died in Iraq. You know she met with Bush last year - when he reportedly referred to her as "mom." You know she now demands to meet with him again. The question is, why do you know this? And how has Cindy Sheehan become a topic on TV, in print, and on everything from Rush Limbaugh's and Al Franken's radio shows?

In Sheehan, the media have the story they love most, the personal story and face that illuminate a larger issue. That issue is that the public has turned against the war in Iraq. A Gallup Poll this month found that nearly 6 in 10 think the war hasn't made America safer; 56 percent say it's time to start withdrawing troops; and 54 percent say it was a mistake to go in to start with. All of which means that Sheehan's position has, for the moment, become a kind of a proxy for the majority position in the country. The common perception among many is that the media control the agenda in the US. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Often, particularly in the world of 24-hour cable news, news organizations actually respond to what they see or hear from the public. They give the public what it wants, and in the case of Sheehan they have - and then some.

Sheehan and her supporters have picked a prime location in Crawford, surrounded by a bored press whom they've fed daily briefings and interviews to fuel the story. And the anti-Sheehan forces may feel their rallies and counter protests "support the president," but what they've really done is offered more pictures and more story lines to the media.  Crawford has become a televised ant farm for the Iraq debate. Politically it doesn't help the president. That is especially true when the news that keeps coming out of Iraq is bad, keeping the public in a down mood about that nation's long-term health and survival.

The question for the president is, now what? Meeting with Sheehan at this point is extremely unlikely. It would almost certainly be portrayed as "caving" in some way - even if it did defuse the situation somewhat. The problem is that if he does nothing, the situation almost certainly won't go away on its own. Sheehan has decided to keep the PR push going with that most favorite and telegenic move, a bus tour, helping generate local press coverage nationwide. And she has set the stage for what could become a pivotal moment in the Bush presidency Sept. 24 when she arrives in Washington for a "Peace and Justice" rally.

Such rallies against the Iraq war have gone on since its start, but never when the public was as unhappy as it is now and when the press was so tuned in. This could spell real trouble for the White House.  Once issues and movements reach a critical mass they take on a life of their own and become very difficult to stop.

Dante Chinni writes a twice monthly political column for the Monitor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050823/cm_csm/ychinni23_1
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 07:50 AM
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Do you really think your president is welcome in Iraq . Arrest him with his personal fears and let him think about.

He isn`t better than any other who try solve problems with military action.
He is not a soldier and was it never before .
So he can thinking about war very abstractly like a teenager.
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (Merlinger @ Aug 27 2005, 08:50 AM)
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Do you really think your president is welcome in Iraq . Arrest him with his personal fears and let him think about.

He isn`t better than any other who try solve problems with military action.
He is not a soldier and was it never before .
So he can thinking about war very abstractly like a teenager.

does anybody else understand that?
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (usfhett99 @ Aug 27 2005, 09:34 PM)
does anybody else understand that?

I was looking forward to your response to that. lol.gif

Posted: Aug 27 2005, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (Merlinger @ Aug 27 2005, 08:50 AM)
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Do you really think your president is welcome in Iraq . Arrest him with his personal fears and let him think about.

He isn`t better than any other who try solve problems with military action.
He is not a soldier and was it never before .
So he can thinking about war very abstractly like a teenager.

maybe there should be a teenager controling stuff, it would be like grand theft auto...give president teenager 4 hours and the war will be over
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 10:03 PM
Hi my name is Marshall and I'm an alcohol........ ooops wrong thread my bad
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:03 PM
Its funny because it my readings of American history, I have heard that near same sentence used to describe pretty much every president from Washington to Bush, usually by extreme partisans on both sides of the isle.

But lets go back to talking about gas prices
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:08 PM
QUOTE (Revolt @ Aug 28 2005, 12:03 AM)
Its funny because it my readings of American history, I have heard that near same sentence used to describe pretty much every president from Washington to Bush, usually by extreme partisans on both sides of the isle.

But lets go back to talking about gas prices

haha, quality find
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:14 PM
I wanted to be more random than Firedog. He still wins.
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:16 PM
QUOTE (Revolt @ Aug 28 2005, 12:14 AM)
I wanted to be more random than Firedog. He still wins.

I think you won
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:19 PM
I didn't know you were on SU all this time well. ohmy.gif
I never even posted there. mellow.gif
Posted: Aug 27 2005, 11:21 PM
QUOTE (Revolt @ Aug 28 2005, 12:19 AM)
I didn't know you were on SU all this time well. ohmy.gif
I never even posted there. mellow.gif

I used to post alot more over there before CS and when I worked in that industry