cindy sheehan has become

So in 1992, Bush was predicted the winner?


Nope- but your "educated" arguments have been wrong many times before, and haven't helped you much lately. We'll have to wait and see, but I doubt the Democrats were expecting to lose everything in '94? either.



And does the fact that you failed to address it mean that you aren't going to show me the stuff I asked for here, since I'm so wrong?

This post has been edited by jake on Aug 30 2005, 01:04 PM

Nor was Kerry predicted the winner in the 2004 exit polls. The exit polls that were released on election day were never intended to be released because they were not weighted towards the actual vote results. Let me try and explain. Say a district has an exact 50/50 female to male split. But say for a second, that the exit pollers polled 55/45, giving an advantage to female voters. Well those numbers would probably be skewed towards Kerry because women voted more for Kerry. These were the numbers that were released. The NEP intended to have those numbers weighed before being released, but they released prematurely around 2pm on election day, showing that Kerry was in the lead, even though the numbers were not properly tabulated. If Kerry's numbers were inflated by 1.9%, and Bush won the election by 3%, the exit polls still showed that Bush won. Exit polls should never be used to predict an election outcome on election day for that very reason. Exit polls should only be used to determine subgroups inside of the electorate, after the numbers are weighed, after election day.



huh? Tell me anything that I am talking about right now is wrong in regards to elections and exit polls.

THREADJACK


This article just shows what she was all about. I've lost respect for her because of this.


Sheehan Glad Bush Didn't Meet With Her
Aug 30 11:33 PM US/Eastern
By ANGELA K. BROWN
Associated Press Writer
CRAWFORD, Texas

A woman who led an anti-war protest for nearly a month near President Bush's ranch said Tuesday that she's glad Bush never showed up to discuss her son's death in Iraq, saying the president's absence "galvanized the peace movement."

Cindy Sheehan's comments came as war protesters packed up their campsite near the ranch and prepared to leave Tuesday for a three-week bus tour.

"I look back on it, and I am very, very, very grateful he did not meet with me, because we have sparked and galvanized the peace movement," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "If he'd met with me, then I would have gone home, and it would have ended there."

Sheehan and about 50 other peace activists arrived in the one- stoplight town Aug. 6, the day after she spoke at a Veterans for Peace convention in Dallas. She and a few others spent that night in chairs in ditches, without food or flashlights, off the main road leading to the president's ranch.

The Vacaville, Calif., woman vowed to stay until Bush's monthlong vacation ended unless she could question him about the war that claimed the life of her 24-year-old son Casey and more than 1,870 other U.S. soldiers.

Two top Bush administration officials talked to Sheehan the first day, but the president never did _ although he has said that he sympathizes with her and acknowledged her right to protest. His vacation is to end Wednesday, two days early, so he can monitor federal efforts to help victims of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast.

Sheehan's vigil attracted crowds of other anti-war demonstrators. Most stayed a few hours or days at the original roadside camp or at the second, larger site about a mile away on a private lot offered by a sympathetic landowner.

The massive response has transformed her life, she said.

"I thought our country was going down, down, down. I thought nobody cared about our children killed in the war, but millions care, and millions care about our country and want to make it better," she said. "The love and support I've received give me hope that my life can someday be normal."

The protest also sparked counter rallies by Bush supporters who accused Sheehan of using her son's death to push the liberal agenda of groups supporting her. Critics also said the anti-war demonstration was hurting U.S. troop morale while boosting the Iraqi insurgency.

Many Bush supporters pointed out that Sheehan never spoke against Bush or the war when she and other grieving families met the president about two months after her son died last year.

Sheehan said she was still in shock over Casey's death during that meeting. She said she became enraged after independent reports disputed Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons _ a main justification for the March 2003 invasion.

After leaving Crawford, protesters will spread their message on a three-week "Bring Them Home Now Tour" with stops in 25 states. Buses on three routes will meet in Washington, D.C., for a Sept. 24 anti-war march.

Sheehan will leave the tour next week to spend time with her family, including her mother who recently suffered a stroke, which caused Sheehan to miss a week of the protest. She plans to attend the march in the nation's capital, hoping to reunite with people who converged on the Texas roadside that came to be known as "Camp Casey."

"When I first started here, I was sitting in the ditch thinking, `What the heck did I do? Texas in August, the chiggers, fire ants, rattlesnakes, uncomfortable accommodations' _ but I'm going to be sad leaving here," Sheehan said. "I hope people will say that the Camp Casey movement sparked a peace movement that ended the war in Iraq."

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Yea, this was pretty obvious from the first week, a publicity stunt. Either way, it was a lose/lose for the president. If Sheehan really thinks she would have just went home if the president would have met her, than she is as crazy as we all think she is.

I just think it's great that a mom who lost a son to this war, and who only asked to meet with the president, is so demonized by Republicans- nothing could be a greater example of typical behavior of Republicans however. Rather than be able to counter a point, they tear down the person making it. They also never realize how stupid it sounds when they rehash that argument- Oh, I'm sorry, everyone who left the Bush administration because Bush lied is just a "liberal with an axe to grind or a book to sell." Right John McCain, Max Cleland, Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, John Kerry, Joe Wilson, Chuck Hagel, and now Cindy Sheehan. Who else did I miss. Who was the administration official fired when he said that Bush's numbers were wrong, and that Iraq would cost over $200 billion? How about the first two guys appointed to run Homeland Security, but left out of frustration because it was a joke and they didn't want to be "yes men?" Give me a break- Bush really IS a piece of shit.

Tell me exactly what Sheehan has said or done that was bad, and why. She said she would go home if he met with her- all you have in response is, "no she wouldn't." At the very least, she would have been a joke to the country if she hadn't.

Yes, she is kind of an idiot, but that's because she's real, unlike the mom that the Republicans propped up and carefully coached to counter her protest.

And she did meet with the president once. But now she wants to ask the president why he killed her son. Would you honestly take that meeting? No, I don't think so.



But its OK for her to demonize the president? Its ok for her to call Bush the worlds #1 terrorist? You know what? It is alright for her to do that, and its alright for me to do it back to her



Would that be the same typical Democratic behavior that it is only patriot to question and criticize Bush, and not face the same criticism?



OK

"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism,"

"My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial."

"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We�re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!"

"We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now."

Her rhetoric is anything short of absurd, and her knowledge of foreign affairs is amazingly niave.



You honestly really think that Sheehan wasn't coached from like day 3 on? You honestly think all of her press conferences, blogs and interviews weren't carefully scripted by MoveOn and others. After about day 2 of this protest, it became a typical RNC vs DNC fight with all the usually suspects on each side. The only difference was that Sheehan and this other mom were being used instead of the face of the REpublican and Democratic parties.

And I guess the fact that Scheehans own family has said shes stupid doesnt mean a whle lot.

Politically? Absolutely- wouldn't you? Realistically, no one really expected him to meet with her, and neither did I. That's not the point though. Republicans did nothing but tear her down and call her everything up to and including a traitor. For what? Don't you agree that Bush came off as the bad guy here, regardless of how you perceive the story? If he met with her, and she continued, Republicans would have been able to expose her as a fraud, but now you can only SAY that she was, having nothing to back it up. Bush was screwed on this either way, but he came off looking bad.

Based on what? She's ONE person making statements about the president, a public figure- that's it. You still haven't told me anything she's done that was so bad, whereas Republicans banded together to attack her. She made the president look bad because of things he HAS done. Rather than answer to those things, they attacked the source. Typical, just like I said.

Huh?

That's absolutely true- but those are examples of saying stupid, not thought out things when she is pissed, which is something that real people do. So what has she said or done that is so BAD? So much for being coached/prompted by all the liberal groups. Tell you what- if she starts trying to cash in on this, I'll agree with you.

Show me some evidence of it- the quotes you JUST posted are examples of really stupid things to say, not talking points, or anything that would have been fed to her. Actually, the TRUE difference was that Sheehan went down on her own. The other mom was in response to her. Would you really think that liberal groups wouldn't jump all over supporting her? Give me one example, any evidence whatsoever- other than you being "sure" of it, that she was coached, prompted, paid, directed, inspired by, or anything else that came from a liberal group.

Uh, no- it doesn't mean shit. Why would it? She IS pretty stupid- she never claimed to be brilliant. I don't care who disagrees with her- she had a message and a goal, and she stated them. That's it.

NO, I don't think this changed anybodies minds.



And now she is a public figure and deserves to be scrutinized.



I guarantee she already has book deals coming



Read her blogs, and read her press releases. They are well thought out, and hit on all of the typical liberal talking points. Her other comments were made off the cuff when she didn't have anybody around to polish her sentences, or tell her how dumb she was.



Like I said, after a few days, the people on both sides were just cover for a DNC vs RNC debate.

That's not what I asked you though, is it?

But for what? I'm all for making fun of the stupid things she said, but to describe her in the ways I've heard was just stupid based on exactly what she's said/done.

Like I said before, I'm gonna need more than your "guarentee." I'll agree with you if I see a book deal, but you are insane if you think she did this just for a book deal.

So I take it that you aren't going to show me a shred of evidence about it then?

True, to some extent. Liberal groups certainly jumped all over this, and Republicans had to respond when it started getting so much coverage and wouldn't go away- the response they chose, however, was stupid.

Jake you can hate Bush all you want, that's your right. Looks like usfhett will trade barbs with you all night about that, that's his right too.

If Howard Dean can pull his head out of his ass and start leading the Democrats in the right direction then maybe next election things will be different.

I think the idea of a 25 state 3 bus tour is a joke. Marching on Washington D.C. doesn't do anything anymore. Only march that people respect and talk of being at with pride was MLK's.

that guy was arrested dipshit!!!

and cindy sheehan already had a metting with bush when families of fallen heroes meet with him last year (i think last year, not sure when)


she gets more and more loony as the days go by! she nows blames Bush for the hurricane itself.

a noob talking shit


:grabs popcorn and waits::

i bet she will even blame bush for how shitty you spell

bye brother

COUGH COUGH

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1900880_pf.html

Hahaha.

Granted though, it wasn't like she did all the protesting expressly for the publicity and the book deal. Book deals are a natural outgrowth of publicity, and saying that someone is only criticizing or protesting the administration to get a book deal is just another bogus excuse that this administration and its supporters use to dodge its critics instead of responding logically to the legitimate questions that are being raised (see: Dick Clarke).

No I agree that it probably wasn't her goal when she started, but I knew it wouldn't take long until she started cashing in

Yeah. The Golden Rule is that almost nobody is immune to selling out.

Big crowd at her book signing...lol

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/0...txev10211261853

Poetic justice, n'est-ce pas?

hmmm

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/articl...t_id=1001572310

I don't care what she says, that pic is fucking funny.